Early warning system to be set up after latest collapsed agent
Tuesday 10th July 2012
A new early warning system is to be set up in the wake of the Spencer Knight affair, and a warning shot fired over the bows of agents that take over portfolios from other agents where there is a black hole in the accounts.
The collapsed agent, in Wilmslow, Cheshire, was the subject of a ‘striking off’ notice in the London Gazette back on March 13.
It therefore appears that for two months, no one – landlords and tenants, nor the bodies involved – seemed aware of the situation.
Despite the March 13 warning, the firm continued to be a member of both NALS and SAFEagent until termination on May 10, meaning that Spencer Knight had no client money protection policy in place from that date. The firm was finally dissolved on June 26.
It is also not clear whether NALS or SAFEagent told the Tenancy Deposit Scheme on May 10 that Spencer Knight had been expelled. The TDS makes it a condition of membership that agents must have client money protection in place.
Nor is it clear whether the organisations involved arrange to get alerts from the London Gazette if an agent is, for example, trading insolvently.
The TDS was yesterday afternoon insisting that it will make good all the deposits. We have asked the TDS for further clarification.
Also in a statement yesterday afternoon, SAFEagent insists that its model is working – and that the industry should applaud it.
However, it has agreed that there should be an early warning system, alerting tenants and landlords when a SAFEagent member is expelled, and allowing information to be shared more easily.
The warning system would also alert trading standards and possible creditors, while also deterring agents transferring their assets to another agent, who could wash their hands of the debt.
In the Spencer Knight case, local agent Lime Lettings, an ARLA member, has taken over the management portfolio. There is no suggestion that there has been any wrongdoing of any sort, with managing director Peter Luscombe saying he has been working closely with the TDS to resolve problems.
SAFEagent – which has been fully supported by LAT – said in its statement that some initial press coverage was incorrect. A spokeswoman said that this accusation was not directed at LAT, although both LAT and the Manchester Evening News reported the same discrepant claims of the amount of tenancy deposits that could be involved.
Yesterday’s SAFEagent statement reads in full:
The SAFEagent campaign launched in 2011, with support and backing from the Government, and a large number of consumer and industry bodies. SAFEagent is a logo from which consumers can instantly signpost letting agents who are part of established Client Money Protection Schemes, backed by insurance schemes operated by ARLA, RICS, NALS and the Law Society.
Although the scope of the Client Money Protection Schemes may vary, by using an agent bearing the SAFEagent logo, consumers can be more confident of the service and protection they get. Although the various bodies do much to promote their individual logos, the SAFEagent campaign, launched ‘by agents for agents’ was created in line with market need, having identified that a single badge would serve the consumer better, reducing confusion over what the different organisations represented.
With SAFEagent’s open approach to working with consumer and industry organisations, the campaign has already achieved wide co-operation, acclaim and penetration of the sector. Chaired by Lord Richard Best, at a recent SAFEagent Consumer Stakeholder Forum and attended by the Trading Standards Institute, Shelter, The Property Ombudsman Scheme, OFT, and CAB, it was agreed that an information network could be established to share industry intelligence more readily.
Essentially what we are talking about is creating an early warning system that would allow the Trading Standards to take immediate action should an agent lose membership, alerting creditors at the earliest possible opportunity and ensuring that assets are properly used to reimburse them.
In essence a warning system of this nature will safeguard against situations that we have seen recently from happening again, i.e. a letting agent that has been dissolved transfers its assets without informing creditors to another letting agent who in turn could simply wash their hands of the debt.
Plans are currently being put in place to make this happen, including plans for a method of alerting tenants and landlords when their agent leaves SAFEagent.
Responding to recent publicity in respect of Spencer Knight in Wilmslow, Cheshire, a former NALS licensed firm, which was also SAFEagent registered, John Midgley SAFEagent chair, said: ‘We have all read press reports regarding this firm and in spite of claims which appeared initially, we have ascertained from the letting agent who took over the management of Spencer Knight’s properties that there is NO rental money missing.
‘Where deposits are missing and we also understand now that some monies have already been recovered, those tenants protected under an insurance backed Tenancy Deposit Scheme (in this instance TDS), should contact the TDS as a matter of urgency to seek reimbursement.
‘Meanwhile, it is important to reiterate that SAFEagent is a signpost for consumers to identify firms who are part of an established client money protection scheme operated by ARLA, RICS, NALS or the Law Society.
‘Firms are entitled to use the logo as long as they belong to one of those bodies and this case reinforces the importance in driving consumer awareness of what tenants and landlords need to look for in order to protect their money.
‘In this instance, it would seem that the SAFEagent logo has worked. The facts as originally presented appear to be incorrect and we believe consumers will indeed be able to claim any missing monies back if they were protected by the TDS.’
The firm Spencer Knight based in Wilmslow was a NALS firm until 10 May 2012 when its licence was terminated by NALS due to a failure to complete their annual renewal application.
Accordingly, as per agreed terms and conditions, the ongoing protection under the NALS Client Money Protection Scheme ceased. This is in line with custom and practice within the sector. On the same day the firm was notified that they were no longer entitled to use the SAFEagent logo. Neither NALS, nor SAFEagent, has been contacted directly.
Midgley continues: ‘In breach of this compliance, this matter has highlighted a number of issues in the sector. It has clearly underlined again the importance of collaboration and intelligence sharing within the sector in order to protect the consumer and I can confirm that SAFEagent responded quickly and correctly in respect of removing this agent from the register in order to ensure consumers were not misled.
‘It also highlights the need to ensure that the route to recovery of any missing funds is quickly established for tenants and landlords so that they can seek recompense from whatever source is open to them, as soon as possible. Affected individuals also need to be made aware that if funds have been misappropriated, then it is a criminal matter and should be reported to the police.
‘Furthermore, it also highlights a serious compliance issue for agents taking over portfolios of businesses where the client account is not intact and where that leaves them in their compliance with strict accounting standards set by the body of which they are part of.
‘If a firm was not aware of a hole in the firm’s client account when they take over a firm, even if they have done the correct due diligence, then that it also a matter of fraud which should be reported to the police. We intend to hold discussions on this issue with industry organisations shortly to ensure that any potential loophole is closed.
‘Meanwhile, the SAFEagent model remains robust and we are pleased that the facts appear to show that it has reflected an accurate presentation of the situation to Spencer Knights’ tenants and landlords. That is, that their money would appear to be safe and they will get back any missing funds if applications are made through the correct channels within the specified periods.
‘The industry can applaud what SAFEagent has stood for in this case.’
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Can't wait for the next instalment!
There is a conspiracy somewhere - allegedly |
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I hope we get to see all the facts - I have my suspicions of some sort of master plan which failed - and then, as if by magic, some money is found in a cupboard somewhere.
SAFE said some money was recovered - wow. That's more than anyone else has done when an agent goes bust or closes!! Did SAFE send the boys round? Some of the SAFE members are quite big lads after all. New slogan for SAFE agents - "If you want to stay safe - cough up" |
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@Industry Observer
"So you are saying all and any claims that needed to be made in the event of any risk/loss to tenants money have been made and settled?" No, I am saying that there are no reports of any claims being refused and NO details of how many claims there are. Initially, it was reported "Up to £60k" was missing - then it was reported "Some money was recovered." Had any of the claims been processed before the money was recovered? Who knows. What we can be sure about is than there is no indication of how many, how much, or indeed if there are in fact any claims still being processed - all very quite on the detail. |
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Reported in Manchester Evening News:
Tenants are owed thousands of pounds in deposits by a luxury estate agent, the M.E.N can reveal. Spencer Knight, on Alderley Road, Wilmslow, rents out properties around Cheshire for between £1,000 and £10,000 a month. But angry tenants say the shop has been closed for several months and phone calls have gone unanswered. Tenants say they have been trying to get deposits back but have been unable to contact director Jonathan Singh. The M.E.N. understands that up to £60,000 has gone missing from the company’s accounts. All tenants who signed an agreement with Spencer Knight handed over a deposit – usually one month’s rent. This money was protected under a government-backed scheme which insures the deposits, called the Tenancy Deposit Scheme. Ninety people handed over deposits to Spencer Knight. But they have now all been written to explaining that the agent is no longer a member of the scheme and that their deposits will no longer be protected after September 1. According to Companies House, a proposal to have the company struck off was submitted on 13 March. Amanda Arthurs, who works for Currencies Direct, has been unable to get a £1,200 deposit back from a property she was renting from Spencer Knight. She said: “I haven’t been able to contact Jonathan Singh. The number just rang and rang and then the next time I tried it had been cut off. I’ve been unable to pay the deposit on a new place because I couldn’t get this back.” The M.E.N. managed to contact Mr Singh, who said that his ex-wife, Helen Bunch, former managing director of Spencer Knight used to be responsible for ‘all the lettings and management’. He added: “Since I took over in January I’ve been unable to reconcile the account. I will release Amanda’s deposit next week.” When contacted by the M.E.N, Ms Bunch said she resigned as a company director in September 2011 and there were no financial problems when she left. |
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I am sure all will unravel in time - I for one am waiting for the full story and not making assumptions - but some very interesting points well made lead to some interesting questions.
Until a tenant or landlord reports an uninsured loss, then criticism is purely hypothetical and unwarranted. I have dealt with a number of acquisitions where there are financial irregularities. After dissolution notice in March and Lime Lettings (ARLA) involvement for over 6 months, I am pretty confident that if there were indeed losses, they would have been reported and NALS would have been contacted and the issue seized upon. Interestingly, two issues struck me. SK and Lime both said that they were unable to reconcile the clients account and that there was money missing. In SAFE's statement, they are quoted as "Where deposits are missing and we also understand now that some monies have already been RECOVERED" Recovered from where? They weren't in the client's account - so where were they? Helen Bunch said all was fine when she left in September - yet neither Mr Singh, his friend Mr Smith nor Lime Lettings could find them. It's hardly a big portfolio. And why did SK hand over the portfolio for nothing? Were Lime Lettings going to make up the shortfall in lieu of a payment as often happens with distressed firms? There is definitely more to this than has been publicised but its unfair to criticise any organisation until the facts are fully available. The parties involved, however, need close scrutiny |
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@ The Frank Knight
So you are saying all and any claims that needed to be made in the event of any risk/loss to tenants money have been made and settled? That TDS made claims on their insurance which does after all cover all and any contingencies and loss by a tenant. They then paid out presumably to Lime Lettings who paid out any tenants and Landlords where the tenancy had ended? Or Lime Lettings has re-protected the deposits presumably with TDS for any tenancies that were ongoing and all is now covered by ARLA's cmp policy? If that is what you are saying then why is there any story here at all? There has never been any loss, no deposit was ever at risk, the insurance that needs to be in place is and we all live happily ever after? So why is NALS directing tenants to TDS? |
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@Facts
Fair point Are you aware of exactly what the insurance required by Statute (HA 2004) covers and which TDS has? There is talk of directing tenants to TDS which is great - provided the insurance they hold covers the deposit in the event of an agent going bust, or an Investment Landlord running off with it. Does it? Or does it only cover monies in dispute? As there is no dispute here between Landlords and tenants, and if TDS instructs SK to pay it into them (can they do that with a terminated agent?!!!) will they have the money? If indeed any money is unsafe? And if they don't will the policy cover it and enable TDS to claim to pay out in a non dispute situation? The devil, as always, is in the detail I have no go at SAFE, none at all. But speaking of safe and the 10.11.22 post today - is it covered? NALS is saying people should contact TDS so lets hope the insurance cover is indeed in place for the whole amount in any circumstances. If it is then the industry smells of roses thank goodness. |
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Really - who cares? Money is covered - just seems that people are using it and having a go at SAFE.
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I suspect there is far more to this than meets the eye. Most companies enter administration and creditors are notified.
In this case, a shortfall was identified in Sept, the business transferred to another agent soon after, and then the company was simply dissolved in March after which time insurances claims were made to TDS. Why was NALS not informed by the agent or TDS earlier? There were 3 who knew. Why has no one actually made a claim to NALS? Very peculiar indeed. |
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@Industry Observer
Are you aware that the NALS admin team and the SAFE admin team are one in the same? NALS CMP covered SK until expulsion - the same day as SAFE did. |
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@ James SE1; LegalEagle and Peter James
Fair retorts from the three of you. But here is the real point. SK was terminated because they didn't renew their membership. My guess is because they could not satisfy the client account balancing requirements, or maybe they just couldn't pay the fee. But presumably NALS didn't just suddenly decide on whatever date to terminate? They must have contacted, chased and so on probably for months. Point is - why didn't NALS tell SAFEagent all those months earlier that there was a possible problem and that a member looked likely not to renew and their cmp would lapse. At least then SAFEagent would have been aware of a possible problem. Isn't that an early warning system? Someone else has posted that something just isn't right here - and they are correct. And those posting there is no issue and the money is safe. I hope so - but have TDS and NALS agreed yet whose policy is going to settle? If they have why not say so loud and clear and cover themselves in glory? |
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As I said previously - this is an odd story - especially when the previous headline highlighted the failed agent being a safe agent - and it turns out they were.
Its like "Insured driver involved in car crash" |
| | I think SAFE covered this well and offered a measured response. I feel ARLA should offer some comment as one of their members stepped in and made much of ARLA - they can't simply ignore it - or can thay? |
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I think the bigger story is the so called cavalry agents who ride in and take a a portfolio for nothing and gain commercial advantage by what can only be some form of collusion. They should have immediately reported the matter - not 'estimated' the amount missing and announced ARLA to be the only true regulator.
It seems all too easy for a firm to simply fold and rely upon insurers to mop up and regulators to monitor press. Surely Companies House could give the best warning.... |
| | All regulators, TPOS, SAFE. OFT, TSI, DGLC, Mayor etc do a good, thankless job. If they did it together, the problem would be a long way towards being solved. |
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Where are all those people who gloated thinking SAFE had failed in some way when this story first broke?
http://www.lettingagenttoday.co.uk/news_features/Latest-collapsed-letting-firm-was-SAFEagent-member |
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"The firm Spencer Knight based in Wilmslow was a NALS firm until 10 May 2012 when its licence was terminated by NALS due to a failure to complete their annual renewal application. "
Not that sinister really. |
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Whatever the finer points of who is better than who and which badge is the biggest - SAFE lead the way in getting the message out there and generating debate.
Can't remember the last interesting comment from ARLA |
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As an ARLA agent, I am disappointed that we can't release such a positive statement of ARLA's plans and what is going on behind the scenes. It's all very cloak and dagger.
That said - ARLA do a great deal of lobbying - they are just poor at communicating - not only to the public - but to each other. |
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I am of the opinion that ARLA, RICS et al don't really want licensing as if that were to happen, many members would wonder whether there was any point in paying for membership as everyone would finally be regulated.
That would explain why they have been so ineefective and wont do the obvious thing and join forces. Just a cynical thought |
| | Sorry I should have said after the landlord has failed to receive rent for 2 consecutive months when it was due from the agent. |
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Just for the record ARLA has an early warning system in place but landlords need to contact them immediately after 2 rental payments have been missed. This information I believe is supposed to be within the text. Trouble is few landlords read their terms of business thoroughly enough.
It's not foolproof but it''s a start. |
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Sense101
"Why would any agent interested in safe guarding client’s funds not use the custodial scheme? " The key word is 'interest' - if you have a couple of million on deposit - even at 1% you make £20k for nothing. Some agents use a sweeper account and generate higher returns on their money. Plus - CMP protects against other monies - not just deposits |
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Why would any agent interested in safe guarding client’s funds not use the custodial scheme?
DPS is the scheme for agents who do not want to have excessive client monies in their own bank accounts. Less client’s monies less risk! It seems to me that insurance backed schemes can be withdrawn and cover lost. Please tell me if that is wrong! We have one of the best legal systems in the world. If people steal monies that is fraud and they will be prosecuted. Why is it that so called trade bodies are so interested in becoming regulator? Jobs for the boys and an attempt of forcing business to become members (more fees) that my opinion. If a trade body was truly interested in it members interests they would be interest in issued that affect their members. Considering the number of agents in the country, problems are very few and far between. Landlord & Teannts need to do there research as in commerical transaction. Use an established business that uses the custodial scheme and you should be pretty safe. |
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@Dave Evans
I wonder whether any claims were made upon the TDS before Helen found some money? As SK must have had a ring-fenced clients account, how did these deposits leak out to somewhere where Helen later discovered them - 9 months later? There must have been an audit trail. And were all deposits registered? This case is not a simple 'agent goes bust leaving deficit' |
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The fact remains - SK were SAFE agents and no one lost money. It does what it says on the tin - why the nit-picking?
I am more intrigued by the original article where Helen Bunch left, denied all knowledge and then discovered some missing deposits. I am astonished the friend who did a spot check and discovered missing money didnt report it at the time - or perhaps he did hence the TDS watershed of September - in which case why didn't TDS tell NALS as Lime claim they were in close contact? And who come Lime could only speculate on what was 'missing' - its not rocket science. Something remains very strange about all this. |
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@Indusrty Observer
"a case like this where the cmp was not in place and they didn't know, from what I can wee, as early as they needed to" NALS membership and CMP was withdrawn on the SAME day as SAFE - how much earlier would you suggest? |
| | @Industry Observer - a notice is sent to all creditors by administrators before any petition is issued as creditors need to support the same. SK knew of deficit - though obviously didnt know that Ms Bunch was for whatever reason still in possession of some deposits as she advised recently. Odd they weren't in the clients account. |
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@James SE1
Sadly the criticism of SAFE will be that it does not work because their whole marketing is predicated on the slogan of use a SAFEagent and your money is safe. I don't blame them for this and with the right checks and monitoring in place it would be true. But it just never can be and great though SAFEagent is this has always been its achilles heel - a case like this where the cmp was not in place and they didn't know, from what I can wee, as early as they needed to. James can you go back to your ARLA mole in their compliance section and ask them if ARLA have advised SAFEagent in any of these "lots" of cases where the ARLA member has dual nationality and is a SAFEagent member? Be very interested in the answer i.e. does ARLA provide an early warning system to SAFEagent? @ LegalEagle So how were the SK creditors - the tenants with their deposits - put on notice unless they read the London Gazette? What should have happened is a combined TDS and ARLA hit squad at the SK offices at dawn the next day taking all the files and writing to all Landlords and Tenants - something TDS is only too quick to do when an agent decides to leave them and place their deposits with one of the other two schemes. Despite being specifically advised this is being done by a departing member - as required under TDS rules - on more than one occasion TDS has caused great embarrassment for an ex member acting perfectly legitimately in such a transfer by writing to their tenants when they didn't need to. Pity they didn't write to SK's tenants as quickly |
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EVERYBODY JUST STOP AND PAUSE FOR BREATH
This SAFEagent mega meeting on an early warning system - were ARLA, NAEA, NALS and RICS present? They are not mentioned and sadly they are the ones who will have any early warning - in theory. What are the other attendees going to warn each other of? More importantly this should all be a COMPLETE NON STORY - why? Because an ARLA member who is "working in close cooperation with TDS" has taken over the business. One assumes this means avery file on Spencer Knight's books. In which case no issue as under ARLA rules there is a STRICT requirement that on any acquisition the client account has to be perfect, and if it is not has to be made up AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE and not on a drip fed basis from new deposits paying out old. So all is well, as any deposits that are in the SK client account will be cross checked with TDS and any that are not will obviously have been made up by Lime Lettings. Otherwise of course they have acted outside ARLA rules and will also have to be expelled!! One thing this does flag up is although the Jocks were daft to have more than one scheme at least all theirs are Custodial. If the entire objective of TDP is to protect deposits why let anybody else hold them except a centralised independent organisation, like DPS? Sadly this would mean SAFEagent ceasing to exist, as no-ones money would be at risk in terms of deposits at least. |
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I have been bleating on about this for ages. If ARLA and RICS in particular could stop the petty partisan politics and all simply worked together with a 'cascade' system to alert others when they become aware of issues, then the consumers would have a massive reduction in risk.
I am heartened to learn SAFE have been working on this with Trading Standards, but its the people who get the first line of complaint who should be acting. Consumers should come before membership and egos - for the good of the industry. |
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Here's a question: If Lime lettings knew of shortfall, then why didn't they inform NALS in order to protect tenants and Landlords?
They must have known whilst doing due diligence - and why didn't the 'helper' mentioned last week who spotted the problem do the same last year? |
| | Well done LAT for following up on this as it unravels - a very different picture is emerging which has again changed my perception of SAFE and ARLA. |
| | Last week, this looked like a SAFE PR disaster - now it looks like a PR success. Where are all the ARLA vultures who jumped on the SAFE bashing bandwagon last week? Regrouping? Pinching their noses and tilting heads back? |
| | Well, it proves SAFE works - at least the case has been openly publicised. I asked someone at ARLA about CMP claims - they said they were dealing with lots - an undisclosed number - but how many of these have hit the headlines? They sweep them under the carpet. We need transparency and they and the other CMP providers need to offer some information. |
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Our view is that ARLA have tried to get a PR jump on SAFE through their Lime Lettings member - but it has backfired as yet again, SAFE seems to be doing more behind the scenes than the regulators.
Perhaps SAFE should have conveyed their plans sooner, that said, I suppose you need the consumer stakeholders full agreement before any announcement is made. One thing is for sure, SAFE have made some serious progress very, very quickly. |
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It is worth noting that a notice to 'strike off' carries with it a time frame - its not instantaneous. During this time, all creditors are put on notice - so it was hardly a secret.
If the TDS claim that all deposits were covered up until 1st Sept and the notice only appeared in March - what happened in those intervening months - the implication is that the TDS knew first - so did THEY inform anyone? |
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Jenny - for the record, I know SAFE instigated the idea for an early warning system - so of course they agreed - it was their idea!! I know this as I met 2 of the steering group at a conference and asked about this very subject - in fact I suggested it and discovered it was in hand.
My point was, the article reads as if it was suggested to SAFE and they agreed - rather than the fact that they lead from the front. |
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2A safe and arla agent
You might think it's a bit rich to say that SAFE have agreed to what appears to be LAT's suggstion to an early warning system. If you read the statement from SAFE, then it's SAFE itself saying it has agreed to the early warning system. Did anyone know what was going on? High time everyone got a grip if all these industry body's initials are going to mean anything. |
| | Good statement from safe. These boys are certainly trying. As for Lime Lettings - well. Fanfare for ARLA but not sure about their opportunism. |
| | As a safe member I think it's a bit rich to say that SAFE agree to what appears LATs suggestion of an early warning system when the SAFE statement makes it clear they are already working on that and are leading from the front. |
| | Good statement from safe. These boys are certainly trying. As for Lime Lettings - well. Fanfare for ARLA but not sure about their opportunism. |
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Safe agent seems to have recovered from last weeks bashing very well leaving those who either didnt read the facts or simply made them up to suit looking silly.
Interesting to read of their developments. ARLA take note. You are resting on your self appointed laurels. I urge you to start working with safe before you get left behind. |
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